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by Atelo » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:40 am

Frittz wrote:Hmmmm my SSD is my only drive in the system, maybe I should put in a second drive to offload some of the writes.

I do have a NAS where all my real data is stored, so I'm not even remotely worried about data integrity in my gaming pc, although spending $400 to replace the sdd in a year might suck.
It isn't just about making it last, it's about maintaining the performance. The more you write to it, the more it will degrade. Use ATTO Disk Benchmark and tell me what your numbers are (and how long you've been using the drive). We can compare and decide if you need to sanitary erase.

by Frittz » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:05 am

Hmmmm my SSD is my only drive in the system, maybe I should put in a second drive to offload some of the writes.

I do have a NAS where all my real data is stored, so I'm not even remotely worried about data integrity in my gaming pc, although spending $400 to replace the sdd in a year might suck.

by Atelo » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:50 pm

shadowrage wrote:Question do you put WoW on you SSD or just or operating system? or any other games on the SSD cause if you up date a mod that up take up a write wouldn't it?
I have WoW on my SSD along with the OS because I use it so much. Updating mods does write to the SSD but you don't update them often enough to worry about it. The WTF and Logs folders on the other hand write to the HD whenever you log out. So I've moved them to a regular hard drive using mklink command (makes a file system shortcut to another drive and the program can't tell the difference.)

by shadowrage » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:34 pm

Question do you put WoW on you SSD or just or operating system? or any other games on the SSD cause if you up date a mod that up take up a write wouldn't it?

by Atelo » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:52 am

shadowrage wrote:i found this program called SSD Tweak Utility its suppose to do everhing for you I don't have an SSD so i don't know if it works at all but i thought i would share it.
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4926-ssd-tweaker.html
Yeah I saw that one, haven't tried it though because I did most of the tweaks myself.

by shadowrage » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:44 am

i found this program called SSD Tweak Utility its suppose to do everhing for you I don't have an SSD so i don't know if it works at all but i thought i would share it.
http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4926-ssd-tweaker.html

by Antilikos » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:19 am

Atelo wrote:As you probably know, your USB Flash Stick has limited writes.
I had absolutely no clue about this. Thanks for the elaboration.

by Atelo » Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:20 pm

Antilikos wrote:Are these things some sort of genetically engineered fungus or something? I don't get the degradation thing...
As you probably know, your USB Flash Stick has limited writes. Usually around 10,000 writes before it can start to fail. For an operating system constantly writing to the hard drive, this isn't much at all.

To counter this in SSDs, the drive never writes to the same spot over and over. Instead it writes to the next unwritten section. Even if you open a document, add one word and save it, it is not written to the same spot. It goes to the next area that hasn't been written to. Once the entire drive is full, it starts over. This means every bit of flash memory gets used instead of one small section.

Flash memory needs to be erased before it can be written to. Once it starts over, it must erase the old information before it can write. This slows down writing significantly and kills performance. Normally when you delete a file with our current hard drive technology, the file isn't actually deleted. Only the reference to the file is deleted and it is still sitting on your drive, allowing you to "Undelete" so long as the information isn't overwritten. Because SSDs must erase data before writing it, all that deleted information slows it down when it comes around for another pass.

The TRIM command supported by Windows 7 tells the drive to actually delete the file instead of just deleting the reference to the file. This allows the performance of the drive to stay within acceptable limits for longer because when it comes around for another pass, the information is already blanked out.

Basically SSDs are brand new and our current file system and hard drive tech wasn't designed with their requirements in mind. It will only get better from here on.

by Antilikos » Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:53 pm

Are these things some sort of genetically engineered fungus or something? I don't get the degradation thing...

by Atelo » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:50 pm

shadowrage wrote:What about running 2 SSDs in Raid 0? Is there anything specail you need to setup to make this work or any certain type of motherborad?
You would only want to do that if you had lots of money and time.

The TRIM command doesn't work yet in raid mode, so the drives would degrade and require command line cleanup utilities to keep them going.

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